(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi] PW[TigerWei]PB[sedgwick]WR[1d]BR[4d]DT[2008-05-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+5.50] ;B[pd]BL[3592.408]C[TigerWei [1d?\]: let's enjoy ] ;W[pp]WL[3596.764]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes, good luck:) ] ;B[dp]BL[3573.068] ;W[cd]WL[3582.915] ;B[ed]BL[3540.312] ;W[gc]WL[3579.034]C[seanpu [5d\]: I can translate ] ;B[cc]BL[3460.303] ;W[dc]WL[3574.587] ;B[dd]BL[3458.537]C[sedgwick [4d\]: thank you ] ;W[ec]WL[3571.949] ;B[fc]BL[3451.827] ;W[fd]WL[3569.208] ;B[fb]BL[3449.156] ;W[cb]WL[3563.704] ;B[bc]BL[3447.266] ;W[eb]WL[3558.921] ;B[ce]BL[3438.288] ;W[gb]WL[3554.105] ;B[fe]BL[3436.644] ;W[gd]WL[3552.505]C[Principito [3d\]: n17 ] ;B[dj]BL[3395.169]C[Principito [3d\]: =( ] ;W[fq]WL[3544.241] ;B[dn]BL[3363.47] ;W[jp]WL[3538.723] ;B[qn]BL[3354.8] ;W[ro]WL[3445.563]C[Principito [3d\]: weird choice ] ;B[pj]BL[3315.278]C[Principito [3d\]: yup ] ;W[nc]WL[3436.701] ;B[nd]BL[3284.777] ;W[md]WL[3431.141] ;B[mc]BL[3275.509]C[Principito [3d\]: w is overconcetrated now ] ;W[ob]WL[3340.524] ;B[pc]BL[3262.21] ;W[pb]WL[3301.074]C[Principito [3d\]: oh my ] ;B[qb]BL[3239.483] ;W[mb]WL[3131.343] ;B[lc]BL[3224.668]C[Principito [3d\]: crazy... ] ;W[ne]WL[3013.526] ;B[od]BL[3219.268] ;W[ld]WL[2883.34]C[Principito [3d\]: this is suicide ] ;B[kc]BL[3083.731] ;W[kd]WL[2848.811] ;B[lb]BL[3063.489]C[Principito [3d\]: gg ] ;W[jc]WL[2814.443] ;B[ma]BL[3061.98] ;W[na]WL[2803.605] ;B[nb]BL[3060.575] ;W[ee]WL[2795.357] ;B[de]BL[3053.504] ;W[mb]WL[2792.108]C[Principito [3d\]: b played weird ] ;B[kp]BL[2941.379] ;W[la]WL[2789.22] ;B[jq]BL[2939.925] ;W[qf]WL[2786.37] ;B[pf]BL[2909.628]C[seanpu [5d\]: I felt james made a lot through the Kou KillerMonk [4d\]: is there ba better way for b to ply this ? sedgwick [4d\]: yes, I was happy sedgwick [4d\]: Wei also think he is behind ] ;W[pg]WL[2784.102] ;B[of]BL[2905.198] ;W[qe]WL[2748.703] (;B[ip]BL[2837.767]C[seanpu [5d\]: put your stone outside is critical to take care of your other friends Tigercathy [?\]: this is not urgent seanpu [5d\]: James likes cash Tigercathy [?\]: this is too slowly Tigercathy [?\]: haha ] ;W[jo]WL[2738.342]C[gopedro [4d\]: instead of j4? sedgwick [4d\]: I was try to hard to play solid because I think I lead.. ] (;B[iq]BL[2813.968]C[sedgwick [4d\]: I shoudl at least before j3 I think sedgwick [4d\]: e3 before j3 sedgwick [4d\]: but p13 clearly better... ] ;W[oh]WL[2735.858]C[gopedro [4d\]: d2? for b? ] ;B[mf]BL[2775.318] ;W[cq]WL[2726.891] ;B[dq]BL[2768.804] ;W[dr]WL[2724.901] ;B[er]BL[2767.572] ;W[cr]WL[2723.406] ;B[eq]BL[2766.443] ;W[bo]WL[2721.903] ;B[bn]BL[2762.811] ;W[co]WL[2720.576] ;B[cn]BL[2761.854] ;W[do]WL[2719.69] ;B[eo]BL[2760.686] ;W[fr]WL[2719.065] ;B[es]BL[2752.073] ;W[fp]WL[2716.022] ;B[ep]BL[2749.476] ;W[cp]WL[2715.357]C[sedgwick [4d\]: I think j5 a problem gopedro [4d\]: yes gopedro [4d\]: looks slow sedgwick [4d\]: yes gopedro [4d\]: p6? gopedro [4d\]: or o3? sedgwick [4d\]: almost anything:) seanpu [5d\]: Hi, James sedgwick [4d\]: probably o3 sedgwick [4d\]: Hi Sean seanpu [5d\]: did you win sedgwick [4d\]: I was too aware of having lead here, play too conservative sedgwick [4d\]: no seanpu [5d\]: b6 is not ungent, I think sedgwick [4d\]: next move I really regiret KillerMonk [4d\]: b has good game here i think now Tigercathy [?\]: so p13 is important seanpu [5d\]: agree, b advantage, killermonk sedgwick [4d\]: I know:( ] (;B[io]BL[2720.726]C[sedgwick [4d\]: This is so slack:( seanpu [5d\]: oh, a close game sedgwick [4d\]: Cathy, are you here? Tigercathy [?\]: yes sedgwick [4d\]: Would you like to comment? Tigercathy [?\]: ok sedgwick [4d\]: you have control Tigercathy [?\]: this too small ] ;W[me]WL[2706.423] ;B[og]BL[2716.247] ;W[ph]WL[2701.679] ;B[mh]BL[2712.196] ;W[mi]WL[2682.112] ;B[li]BL[2694.728]C[Tigercathy [?\]: w n15 not good sedgwick [4d\]: yes Tigercathy [?\]: b hace chance to build moyo ] ;W[ni]WL[2639.271]C[seanpu [5d\]: moyo is not James's trait, he like solid cash ] (;B[lh]BL[2605.548] ;W[di]WL[2612.873] ;B[ei]BL[2567.502] ;W[cj]WL[2584.902] ;B[dh]BL[2485.401] ;W[ci]WL[2535.298] (;B[dk]BL[2482.322] ;W[ck]WL[2487.302] (;B[dl]BL[2478.262] ;W[bg]WL[2438.734]C[Principito [3d\]: n9 sedgwick [4d\]: not this time... Tigercathy [?\]: WANT TO KILL THE W seanpu [5d\]: you are strong, James, but not very confident and stable sedgwick [4d\]: yes, I need to attack strongly ] (;B[cg]BL[2389.131] ;W[ch]WL[2375.485] ;B[dg]BL[2372.384] ;W[bl]WL[2370.101] ;B[bf]BL[2363.987] ;W[ag]WL[2363.922]C[Principito [3d\]: n9 ] (;B[rn]BL[2304.887]C[sedgwick [4d\]: I see I have ko with a5 and a7 here seanpu [5d\]: s6 small sedgwick [4d\]: but I overrate this, I must win ko twice, not so important... seanpu [5d\]: after n9 ,next is s11 seanpu [5d\]: then white is painful Tigercathy [?\]: too samll sedgwick [4d\]: yes seanpu [5d\]: after lead, James alway feel conservative sedgwick [4d\]: yes, it is big problem:( ] ;W[qo]WL[2358.887] ;B[on]BL[2298.522] ;W[nq]WL[2355.678]C[Tigercathy [?\]: w corner too big seanpu [5d\]: stressful, skill will be distorted ] ;B[kl]BL[2217.384]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: i guess it all depends on how white can reduce the center moyo now mariosbank [2d?\]: not much i guess ] ;W[ih]WL[2221.066] (;B[ii]BL[2202.825]C[Tigercathy [?\]: b middle too small sedgwick [4d\]: I thought I will get something from a7 threat ] ;W[hi]WL[2189.204] ;B[hh]BL[2178.24] ;W[gh]WL[2183.973] ;B[hg]BL[2177.129]C[sedgwick [4d\]: but w all solid later, nothing to get ] ;W[gg]WL[2125.773]C[Tigercathy [?\]: one way to win is kill the w ] ;B[gi]BL[2171.754] ;W[hj]WL[2103.985] ;B[gf]BL[2102.455] ;W[fi]WL[2078.713] (;B[gj]BL[2101.299]C[seanpu [5d\]: James felt too nervous when he approach to the win Tigercathy [?\]: this is bad way and lose the game quickly ] ;W[ej]WL[1770.665] ;B[fh]BL[2097.729] ;W[eh]WL[1768.228] ;B[fg]BL[2094.81] ;W[fk]WL[1750.912] ;B[gk]BL[2084.724] ;W[fl]WL[1738.578] ;B[en]BL[2059.43] ;W[fj]WL[1704.985] ;B[gn]BL[2028.423] ;W[qj]WL[1553.633] ;B[qk]BL[2018.868] ;W[rj]WL[1511.987] ;B[pk]BL[1984.825]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: w wins now ] ;W[rk]WL[1463.387] ;B[rl]BL[1981.77]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: g8 breaks out KillerMonk [4d\]: and he now has sente seanpu [5d\]: white is successful now sedgwick [4d\]: g7 big mistake for w sedgwick [4d\]: yes, w lead.. ] ;W[gm]WL[1394.911]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: here g8 works better for white locally ] ;B[hm]BL[1969.916] ;W[hl]WL[1357.106] ;B[gl]BL[1962.849] ;W[fm]WL[1355.197] ;B[hn]BL[1884.585] ;W[gh]WL[1344.426] ;B[gg]BL[1883.082] ;W[hk]WL[1342.823] ;B[gh]BL[1882.104] ;W[pm]WL[1331.129] ;B[pn]BL[1875.903] ;W[ml]WL[1287.295] ;B[ll]BL[1790]C[gopedro [4d\]: hi! ] ;W[nl]WL[1269.202] ;B[om]BL[1763.752] ;W[mo]WL[1249.273] ;B[mn]BL[1698.007]C[seanpu [5d\]: and the ending skill is not James's strength, I can't help you now, James,my friend sedgwick [4d\]: sure ] ;W[ln]WL[1239.59] ;B[mm]BL[1690.056]C[sedgwick [4d\]: you do not need to comment more Cathy, b lose now.. ] ;W[lo]WL[1220.232]C[Tigercathy [?\]: yes sedgwick [4d\]: Of course if you like to look at endgame, no complaints:) seanpu [5d\]: I agree Tigercathy [?\]: hehe Tigercathy [?\]: i see the end sedgwick [4d\]: very painful game, opening so good for me:( seanpu [5d\]: tigerwei's ending skill is not very good either sedgwick [4d\]: no, I think I gain something from here sedgwick [4d\]: m7 cut not good for w sedgwick [4d\]: b make sente eye TORONTO [4d\]: p4 sedgwick [4d\]: I play m3 ] ;B[lq]BL[1497.91] ;W[lm]WL[1192.651]C[seanpu [5d\]: toronto is better than us, James sedgwick [4d\]: seems aftter w a6 they can a9? KillerMonk [4d\]: yes sure ] (;B[no]BL[1490.105] ;W[mp]WL[1175.297]C[seanpu [5d\]: listen to toronto TORONTO [4d\]: p4 sedgwick [4d\]: now I play p4:) TORONTO [4d\]: o5 is wrong sedgwick [4d\]: after b a6 a9 work? gopedro [4d\]: a9 seanpu [5d\]: thanks, thevoid KillerMonk [4d\]: moral support is like the 7th player in hockey gopedro [4d\]: yes ! ] ;B[op]BL[1441.694] ;W[oq]WL[1172.355]C[seanpu [5d\]: all my friends ] ;B[po]BL[1436.211]C[seanpu [5d\]: I am happy ] ;W[qp]WL[1170.847] ;B[np]BL[1433.973] ;W[mq]WL[1166.455] ;B[qi]BL[1421.96] ;W[ri]WL[1163.023] ;B[pi]BL[1420.419] ;W[qh]WL[1107.264]C[gopedro [4d\]: s13 is a ko treath seanpu [5d\]: 7th is the referee, you guys can give me technical foul. Thanks Tigercathy [?\]: b points not enough sedgwick [4d\]: If I play a6 then a9 now I have chance sedgwick [4d\]: I didn't see it KillerMonk [4d\]: i think it works KillerMonk [4d\]: i can't find the counter yet Tigercathy [?\]: i will log out ,take care my son sedgwick [4d\]: Sure, good night sedgwick [4d\]: Thanks very much for review! seanpu [5d\]: thx, cathy gopedro [4d\]: txh KillerMonk [4d\]: thanks KillerMonk [4d\]: son ? TORONTO [4d\]: bye all Tigercathy [?\]: that's all Tigercathy [?\]: bye all ] ;B[rg]BL[1408.603] ;W[rh]WL[1076.583] ;B[rc]BL[1365.24] ;W[rd]WL[1056.909] ;B[ao]BL[1361.855] ;W[ap]WL[1048.75] ;B[am]BL[1358.936] ;W[an]WL[1038.39] ;B[pq]BL[1333.754] ;W[qq]WL[1034.669] ;B[ao]BL[1332.113] ;W[al]WL[932.12] ;B[ar]BL[1326.877] ;W[an]WL[929.974] ;B[qd]BL[1168.788] ;W[bm]WL[882.516] ;B[re]BL[1166.298] ;W[rf]WL[878.584] ;B[sd]BL[1164.493] ;W[sf]WL[866.637] ;B[mj]BL[1133.045] ;W[jm]WL[858.116] ;B[jl]BL[1129.401] ;W[bb]WL[839.217] ;B[bd]BL[1111.877] ;W[nj]WL[834.843] ;B[mk]BL[1109.795] ;W[nm]WL[806.301] ;B[nn]BL[1106.825] ;W[nk]WL[791.917]C[gopedro [4d\]: very close ] ;B[jf]BL[1008.613] ;W[kf]WL[765.347] ;B[kg]BL[972.74] ;W[if]WL[755.685] ;B[je]BL[908.083] ;W[ie]WL[735.369] ;B[ig]BL[891.324] ;W[jd]WL[713.842] ;B[af]BL[811.431]C[Majorum [2d\]: really? seems like a 10 pt win by white to me KillerMonk [4d\]: yes i think by 10 points at least gopedro [4d\]: yes ] ;W[bi]WL[680.015]C[Majorum [2d\]: the breakthrough with the f8 group was really nice ] ;B[mr]BL[721.491] ;W[nr]WL[676.348] ;B[lr]BL[719.876] ;W[fn]WL[664.645] ;B[fo]BL[717.936] ;W[km]WL[624.7] ;B[ko]BL[692.116] ;W[jn]WL[614.605] ;B[he]BL[597.9] ;W[ke]WL[610.62] ;B[jg]BL[596.368] ;W[id]WL[601.576] ;B[eg]BL[594.636] ;W[ei]WL[599.561] ;B[ge]BL[589.006] ;W[ol]WL[588.826] ;B[pl]BL[586.349] ;W[ac]WL[580.38] ;B[ad]BL[583.907] ;W[ab]WL[578.963] ;B[hd]BL[581.801] ;W[hc]WL[576.096] ;B[oc]BL[577.342] ;W[kb]WL[570.345]C[sfrex [1k\]: look like w can j8 ] ;B[ds]BL[566.244] ;W[cs]WL[566.423] ;B[nh]BL[548.102] ;W[oi]WL[560.647] ;B[lf]BL[511.968] ;W[se]WL[549.186] ;B[rd]BL[508.081] ;W[nf]WL[544.009] ;B[sk]BL[442.023]C[sfrex [1k\]: nah ] ;W[sj]WL[537.962] ;B[sl]BL[440.193] ;W[sn]WL[525.256] ;B[sm]BL[384.587] ;W[so]WL[520.359] ;B[ns]BL[374.933] ;W[os]WL[517.497] ;B[ms]BL[373.693] ;W[qa]WL[506.434] ;B[ra]BL[370.431] ;W[pa]WL[505.316] ;B[pr]BL[311.257] ;W[qr]WL[502.823] ;B[im]BL[287.397] ;W[ng]WL[492.694] ;B[mg]BL[279.976] ;W[lp]WL[444.632] ;B[cl]BL[229.974] ;W[sg]WL[413.061] ;B[in]BL[213.061] ;W[ps]WL[405.849] ;B[kq]BL[209.247] ;W[or]WL[402.456] ;B[]BL[187.428] ;W[ok]WL[384.783] ;B[qm]BL[185.134] ;W[cm]WL[382.458] ;B[dm]BL[181.805] ;W[el]WL[381.031] ;B[go]BL[180.109] ;W[]WL[381.031] ;B[]BL[180.109]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][ma][oa][db][fb][hb][ib][jb][lb][nb][fc][ic][kc][lc][mc][qg][rg][ah][bh][sh][ai][si][aj][bj][ak][bk][am][ao][bp][rp][sp][aq][bq][pq][rq][sq][ar][br][pr][rr][sr][as][bs][qs][rs][ss]TB[sa][rb][sb][qc][sc][cd][ae][be][ee][cf][df][ef][ff][lg][ih][jh][kh][hi][ji][ki][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][hk][ik][jk][kk][lk][hl][il][ql][pm][rm][ho][oo][fp][gp][hp][fq][gq][hq][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls]C[sedgwick [4d\]: thanks sedgwick [4d\]: Got to play better ko threat:) TigerWei [4d\]: thanks TigerWei [4d\]: yes, big chance sedgwick [4d\]: I know ko there whole time... KillerMonk [4d\]: gg both gopedro [4d\]: gg TigerWei [4d\]: I'm not in good mood these days, behind a lot at beginning sedgwick [4d\]: yes, I was happy with opening sedgwick [4d\]: Cathy, you there? KillerMonk [4d\]: cathy is reviewing other game sedgwick [4d\]: Ahh, we will ask after TigerWei [4d\]: sure TigerWei [4d\]: good luck in the rest of games sedgwick [4d\]: you too TigerWei [4d\]: maybe let's review it at other time? sedgwick [4d\]: sure TigerWei [4d\]: bye! sedgwick [4d\]: I will wait, and see if Cathy comments sedgwick [4d\]: bye ]) (;B[op]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes KillerMonk [4d\]: question seanpu [5d\]: toronto is sharp, thanks Tigercathy [?\]: w m7 wrong sedgwick [4d\]: thank you Fan Jun.. sedgwick [4d\]: yes Tigercathy [?\]: b have chance seanpu [5d\]: He is Jun Fan seanpu [5d\]: or Fan, Jun seanpu [5d\]: my teacher sedgwick [4d\]: Fan is Family name right... seanpu [5d\]: yes, James sedgwick [4d\]: miss chance:( KillerMonk [4d\]: does a9 work? after hane a5 seanpu [5d\]: Canadian open, Korean open champion, Jun Fan sedgwick [4d\]: that looks dangerous, I didn't see it sedgwick [4d\]: better than indirect ko sedgwick [4d\]: Cathy did you leave? seanpu [5d\]: I will play with peiyan this Friday 10:00pm(toronto time), James, please make it upon my web sedgwick [4d\]: Sure, will do seanpu [5d\]: and cheer for me, not for peiyan, since he is too strong Tigercathy [?\]: left minutes sedgwick [4d\]: I will cheer for you:) sedgwick [4d\]: no problem TORONTO [4d\]: black will get half conner seanpu [5d\]: killermonk, would you support me seanpu [5d\]: and gopedro? ] ;W[oq] ;B[po]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: after hane and connect at a5 ] ;W[qq]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: does a9 work ? ] ;B[np]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes, w cannot play this way.. ])) (;B[fh]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: looks dangerous for b ] ;W[gj] ;B[fg] ;W[ej] ;B[eh]C[sedgwick [4d\]: e6 work? seanpu [5d\]: it is not the skill, it is from his mind Tigercathy [?\]: you don't mind threat,must choose best way to win ] ;W[en]C[gopedro [4d\]: I like when we comment the game and less the players :) ] ;B[fm] ;W[fn] ;B[fo] ;W[em]) (;B[fj] ;W[gj] ;B[fg])) (;B[ig]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: nice sedgwick [4d\]: yes sedgwick [4d\]: l8 again too conservative... sedgwick [4d\]: and then j11 seanpu [5d\]: tigerwei is alway greedy, please catch this tiger and eat him(if you don't eat tiger meat, give it to me) ] (;W[hg] ;B[hh]C[seanpu [5d\]: from this point of view, I felt happyguy(Luke might be better than tigerwei) ]) (;W[jg] ;B[jf]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: i am suprised happy guy is not in this qualifier seanpu [5d\]: happyguy likes fast game Tigercathy [?\]: b only way to win is kill the middle w sedgwick [4d\]: yes ]))) (;B[am] ;W[al] ;B[ao] ;W[ap]C[seanpu [5d\]: n9 if it were me ] ;B[ar] ;W[an]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes sedgwick [4d\]: I play this later, but I have no threats ] ;B[nq]C[sedgwick [4d\]: shoudl play now seanpu [5d\]: center is big, not he corner sedgwick [4d\]: I was afraid w will not play a6 seanpu [5d\]: o3 is smaller thann9 also KillerMonk [4d\]: i like n9 seanpu [5d\]: see, my friend knows me ])) (;B[ak]C[sedgwick [4d\]: b15? sedgwick [4d\]: still w problems, yes seanpu [5d\]: James, you alway lost to Tigerwei games that you are deserved to win sedgwick [4d\]: yes, the last two have been painful sedgwick [4d\]: But hard to say deserve to win after move like j5:( ] ;W[be] ;B[bd]C[seanpu [5d\]: and won me in the match that you are not deserved to win sedgwick [4d\]: :) ])) (;B[ch] ;W[en] ;B[fo] ;W[fn] ;B[go]C[sedgwick [4d\]: I was afraid of this ])) (;B[ej]C[sedgwick [4d\]: still c9 sente? ] ;W[ck] ;B[dl])) (;B[lj]C[sedgwick [4d\]: if cut l12? seanpu [5d\]: as long as white make eyes, black can make compensations all the way ] ;W[lh] ;B[lg] ;W[kh] ;B[kg] ;W[jh] ;B[jg]C[sedgwick [4d\]: didn't want to drive white into my moyo... ] ;W[ih] ;B[ig]C[Tigercathy [?\]: b don't worry about it,right? sedgwick [4d\]: I was afrad this way w destroy my center terr seanpu [5d\]: black is risky by the judgement of my level sedgwick [4d\]: Then I don't have enought points Tigercathy [?\]: but ,you can get more cash when you attack the w seanpu [5d\]: for this case, black is easy sedgwick [4d\]: yes, I am underestimating that value I guess... seanpu [5d\]: white has no dare to invade into your others KillerMonk [4d\]: white has no eyes Tigercathy [?\]: and the w points maybe cut down sedgwick [4d\]: m10 clearly best shape for b anyway... KillerMonk [4d\]: so tough to live without damaging something else ])) (;B[ko]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes, if I play in this area this is clearly better.. Tigercathy [?\]: this better than ]) (;B[oo]C[sedgwick [4d\]: also maybe o3? or f11? seanpu [5d\]: James, tigerwei is greedy, if you go down, he will go up defintely. sedgwick [4d\]: yes, he invade everything:) Tigercathy [?\]: maybe here, to control the middle seanpu [5d\]: the best way is charging, no withdraw sedgwick [4d\]: ahh, didn't think about this one.. sedgwick [4d\]: consider p6 a bit, but not this Tigercathy [?\]: you like cash haha ])) (;B[eq] (;W[iq]) (;W[fp] ;B[iq]C[sedgwick [4d\]: also looks possible sedgwick [4d\]: I think this would be good for me gopedro [4d\]: looks good ])) (;B[ko]C[Tigercathy [?\]: let w heavy sedgwick [4d\]: yes Tigercathy [?\]: b can attack ])) (;B[jo] ;W[ip]) (;B[og] ;W[ph] ;B[oh] ;W[pi] ;B[oi] ;W[qj] ;B[qk]C[sedgwick [4d\]: yes Tigercathy [?\]: this way fre b is very storng Tigercathy [?\]: better than actual Tigercathy [?\]: w is difficult ]))