(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
PW[gopedro]PB[sedgwick]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2008-06-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3598.098]C[gopedro [4d\]: gg
sedgwick [4d\]: yes,. you too:)
]
;W[dd]WL[3559.066]
;B[pp]BL[3593.889]
;W[dq]WL[3553.795]
;B[do]BL[3561.305]
;W[dp]WL[3496.409]C[JeansebL [1d\]: !!! ahahah !
JeansebL [1d\]: mon joseki !
fasteratgo [10k?\]: c'est quoi ça???
bagman [5d\]: lol
JeansebL [1d\]: lolll
JeansebL [1d\]: ça c'est du kitani
bagman [5d\]: viva pedro
JeansebL [1d\]: oh yeah
fasteratgo [10k?\]: en tu cas, c'est pas dans smartgo ça!
JeansebL [1d\]: lol ben sur
]
;B[eo]BL[3503.454]C[Slug [3k\]: ooh this is called "the thrust"
]
;W[co]WL[3488.228]
;B[cn]BL[3500.841]
;W[bo]WL[3472.325]C[Slug [3k\]: very ancient move this one
JeansebL [1d\]: not that much...
JeansebL [1d\]: 1970....
Slug [3k\]: ancient to some ^^
]
;B[gp]BL[3469.969]C[EllenPage [1k\]: i played last week
]
;W[bn]WL[3454.686]C[JeansebL [1d\]: oh G4 ...
]
;B[cm]BL[3459.836]C[EllenPage [1k\]: E7
JeansebL [1d\]: g2 , e7, tenuki ?
]
;W[qj]WL[3380.545]C[JeansebL [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[ql]BL[3444.491]
;W[qf]WL[3365.946]
;B[nc]BL[3411.645]
;W[ph]WL[3343.597]
;B[qe]BL[3404.42]
;W[pf]WL[3327.341]C[fasteratgo [10k?\]: joli r15!
]
;B[rj]BL[3308.448]
;W[rk]WL[3299.325]
;B[qk]BL[3305.124]
;W[ri]WL[3277.553]
;B[pj]BL[3301.483]
;W[sj]WL[3275.816]C[Dorallen [3k\]: est-ce que pedro est fort dans les invasions?
bagman [5d\]: oui
Dorallen [3k\]: ok
]
;B[qi]BL[3278.284]
;W[rj]WL[3273.16]
;B[rl]BL[3275.786]C[JeansebL [1d\]: tenuki
bagman [5d\]: pedro aurait du jouer s8  a la place de s11 
]
;W[nq]WL[3226.849]C[bagman [5d\]: p2 
]
;B[oq]BL[3254.396]
;W[np]WL[3220.743]
;B[kp]BL[3245.694]C[JeansebL [1d\]: hmm g4 me tane
JeansebL [1d\]: c'est cool comme coup...
bagman [5d\]: pour blanc ou noir?
JeansebL [1d\]: noir, il est joué déja
bagman [5d\]: =)
]
;W[po]WL[3078.912]
;B[qo]BL[3242.263]
;W[oo]WL[3058.959]
;B[qp]BL[3223.163]
;W[or]WL[3031.12]
;B[pr]BL[3208.372]C[JeansebL [1d\]: L5 bang
AtkAndDef [5d\]: hi :)
AtkAndDef [5d\]: is this just for fun?
JeansebL [1d\]: no fun here
JeansebL [1d\]: this is the tie break ^^
AtkAndDef [5d\]: wmsg?\\
JeansebL [1d\]: yep
AtkAndDef [5d\]: oh nice
gopedro [4d\]: connection problems
sedgwick [4d\]: yes, no problem..
]
;W[kr]WL[2747.736]
;B[lq]BL[3173.741]
;W[lr]WL[2696.076]
;B[mr]BL[3170.722]
;W[nr]WL[2691.543]
;B[mq]BL[3169.343]
;W[ms]WL[2689.786]
;B[jq]BL[3168.037]
;W[jr]WL[2685.524]
;B[iq]BL[3165.124]
;W[ir]WL[2683.565]
;B[hq]BL[3139.531]C[JeansebL [1d\]: c11 ?
]
;W[hr]WL[2635.885]
;B[gr]BL[3136.211]
;W[fq]WL[2632.341]
;B[gq]BL[3129.33]
;W[fr]WL[2630.062]
;B[fs]BL[3079.363]
;W[es]WL[2615.113]
;B[gs]BL[3077.113]
;W[fp]WL[2600.603]
;B[fo]BL[3075.095]
;W[qn]WL[2523.708]
;B[rn]BL[2984.955]
;W[ol]WL[2377.804]C[JeansebL [1d\]: hmm c11 est tantant mais blanc a juste un oeil...
]
;B[qh]BL[2961.002]C[Dorallen [3k\]: on dirait que blanc a perdu
JeansebL [1d\]: lolll, un peu tot pour dire ce genre de chose...
Dorallen [3k\]: ben... metton que les 2 ont le meme territoire
Dorallen [3k\]: mais noiri a une superbe influence en plus
]
;W[pi]WL[2305.097]
;B[oj]BL[2932.097]C[JeansebL [1d\]: oh oui je suis d'accord pour dire que noir a une légère avance
Dorallen [3k\]: ok, moi je crois que son avance est massive
JeansebL [1d\]: ok
]
;W[lo]WL[2195.789]C[DonValley [4d\]: is this wmsg?
Dorallen [3k\]: yes
]
;B[jn]BL[2874.423]C[JeansebL [1d\]: go c11
]
;W[lm]WL[2076.533]C[DonValley [4d\]: oh rlly, could i have url?
Dorallen [3k\]: http://www.go-canada.org/WMSG2008/wmsg_qualify.php
]
;B[dg]BL[2808.201]
;W[fd]WL[2030.776]C[DonValley [4d\]: thx
]
;B[hc]BL[2766.944]
;W[fg]WL[1907.444]
;B[di]BL[2737.199]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: hmm c'est proche 
KillerMonk [4d\]: noir a 5 points de plus et aussi de l'influence a droite 
KillerMonk [4d\]: mais il a une coup a p9 qui est énorme 
KillerMonk [4d\]: blanc a sente 
KillerMonk [4d\]: l17 looks big 
KillerMonk [4d\]: it would allow white to reinforce the top then cut at p9 afterwards i think 
]
;W[jc]WL[1448.415]
;B[he]BL[2714.466]
;W[fc]WL[1378.41]
;B[id]BL[2461.017]C[AtkAndDef [5d\]: L 17 now?
]
;W[md]WL[1237.713]C[AtkAndDef [5d\]: oh long ago:P
]
;B[ff]BL[2377.656]
;W[ef]WL[1205.582]
;B[fe]BL[2374.842]
;W[eg]WL[1164.596]
;B[ee]BL[2372.358]
;W[df]WL[1131.431]
;B[de]BL[2369.715]
;W[ce]WL[1128.642]
;B[cd]BL[2354.137]
;W[cc]WL[974.328]
;B[bd]BL[2331.67]
;W[bc]WL[930.842]
;B[be]BL[2188.535]
;W[cf]WL[926.78]
;B[dc]BL[2187.317]
;W[ed]WL[923.335]
;B[bf]BL[2179.381]
;W[bg]WL[914.717]
;B[bh]BL[2177.175]
;W[cg]WL[908.691]
;B[ag]BL[2176.215]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: hmm 
]
;W[ch]WL[881.523]
;B[bi]BL[2174.88]
;W[af]WL[813.209]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: this looks pretty bad for b ?
mita [6k\]: hum... that move look godly
]
;B[ae]BL[2152.867]
;W[ac]WL[810.66]
;B[ah]BL[2146.297]
;W[ci]WL[803.383]
;B[bj]BL[2144.615]
;W[cj]WL[787.114]
;B[ck]BL[2142.932]
;W[gb]WL[732.642]
;B[dk]BL[2073.078]
;W[gg]WL[728.471]
;B[hf]BL[2068.121]
;W[ih]WL[695.466]
;B[hb]BL[2054.097]
;W[eb]WL[676.555]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: if white a12 before a17 then white could push more and get a stronger outside wall 
]
;B[gi]BL[1971.863]
;W[hg]WL[633.119]
;B[jg]BL[1941.204]
;W[jh]WL[615.386]
;B[kg]BL[1912.483]
;W[mc]WL[610.588]
;B[nd]BL[1909.559]
;W[mf]WL[584.591]
;B[ne]BL[1900.549]
;W[lg]WL[572.366]
;B[kh]BL[1882.949]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: Black is still ahead  in points though it seems 
]
;W[kf]WL[438.141]
;B[jf]BL[1856.738]
;W[qc]WL[265.303]
;B[re]BL[1843.811]
;W[ob]WL[261.017]
;B[nb]BL[1838.871]
;W[pb]WL[225.696]
;B[se]BL[1704.957]C[AtkAndDef [5d\]: nice
fasteratgo [10k?\]: t15?
AtkAndDef [5d\]: yes
KillerMonk [4d\]: yes t15 looks great 
]
;W[rg]WL[172.007]
;B[rb]BL[1703.044]C[katori15 [6k\]: ● s13  stops ○ kill why t15 ?
fasteratgo [10k?\]: could you please explain ?
]
;W[mb]WL[168.36]C[morph [5k\]: yes very nice
]
;B[ma]BL[1701.334]
;W[la]WL[166.077]
;B[na]BL[1700.191]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: t15 threatens to connect up with r12 stones 
AtkAndDef [5d\]: beautifully done
KillerMonk [4d\]: and threatens to kill the corner at the same time 
]
;W[jj]WL[132.22]C[katori15 [6k\]: but ● s13 does connect
]
;B[ke]BL[1694.866]C[AtkAndDef [5d\]: yes
AtkAndDef [5d\]: it does
AtkAndDef [5d\]: :P
fasteratgo [10k?\]: ty
katori15 [6k\]: so why t15?
AtkAndDef [5d\]: because it threatens s 13 conect
AtkAndDef [5d\]: and if he plays s 13 he kills corner
AtkAndDef [5d\]: like so
katori15 [6k\]: ● s13 s14 t14  then
AtkAndDef [5d\]: ?
]
;W[lf]WL[50.913]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: if  b plays s13 then white s14 
]
;B[og]BL[1672.303]C[katori15 [6k\]: why did ● need t15 to connect when s13 does it alone
KillerMonk [4d\]: if b connects at t14 then 
KillerMonk [4d\]: white ataris with r13 
KillerMonk [4d\]: and captures 
katori15 [6k\]: ahhhh yes yes
AtkAndDef [5d\]: how so?
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[3]C[katori15 [6k\]: r13 s12 t13 t12 t11 t9  no does not work
AtkAndDef [5d\]: oh sorry
KillerMonk [4d\]: no throw in at t13 just atari 
katori15 [6k\]: ahh r13 s12 t12 
KillerMonk [4d\]: yes 
]
;B[kj]BL[1575.259]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[3]C[katori15 [6k\]: now why did they not stop playing until I saw it ☺
fasteratgo [10k?\]: :)  same here
AtkAndDef [5d\]: haaa
KillerMonk [4d\]: thats because they cannot see comments 
KillerMonk [4d\]: had they been able to they surely would  have... 
]
;B[oh]BL[1512.221]C[katori15 [6k\]: 4d do not have telepahty? ☺
]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[3]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: hmmm if thats true then I want a refund... 
]
;B[mh]BL[1504.35]C[katori15 [6k\]: ☺☺
Shadowplay [7k\]: I hate to ask, but why is the cut at L11 bad?
]
;W[pe]WL[30]OW[3]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: for white ? he does not have time yet to do it 
Shadowplay [7k\]: ah.
JeansebL [1d\]: l11 and m13 dies
KillerMonk [4d\]:  he must save his group at the top 
katori15 [6k\]: q17 r16 r18 
KillerMonk [4d\]: yes 
AtkAndDef [5d\]: black has so much time
AtkAndDef [5d\]: white must think during his turn
katori15 [6k\]: but the pizza may not make it in time
Shadowplay [7k\]: Um, if White cuts at L11, doesn't he get the group at J16?
AtkAndDef [5d\]: whites group at m 14 isnt alive
Shadowplay [7k\]: Or would have, had he done it sooner when the cut was possible?
fasteratgo [10k?\]: i see a race there
]
;B[qd]BL[1257.731]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[3]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: But at least white would have a chance.  I see no chance in the upper right hand corner.
KillerMonk [4d\]: no  if whit cuts a l11 then b will atari then connect at m12 
KillerMonk [4d\]: then white cannot run out and has no mor aji ther e
katori15 [6k\]: l11 m11 k11 m12 o12 o13 o11 n13 o14 p14 p15 
Shadowplay [7k\]: Unfortunately black/white had that exchange at P13 that ruined my plan.  :(
Shadowplay [7k\]: Right now I think it would be M12, M11, N10?
]
;B[lb]BL[1098.123]
;W[lh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[li]BL[1096.206]
;W[nh]WL[30]OW[2]C[katori15 [6k\]: yes but now ○ has to worry about capture also
Shadowplay [7k\]: I don't understand O12.
Shadowplay [7k\]: how do I type in stone black and stone white?
katori15 [6k\]: hold alt (keypad 7 and 9 for windows
Shadowplay [7k\]: ooo...
morph [5k\]: ♥♦♣♠
]
;B[mj]BL[961.407]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: I don't understand O12.  Why not P11?
]
;W[of]WL[30]OW[2]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: Oh, you mean white needs to save N18.
katori15 [6k\]: ☺
fasteratgo [10k?\]: :)
KillerMonk [4d\]: well it would help his chances 
Shadowplay [7k\]: I thought you meant Q18.
AtkAndDef [5d\]: hmm
katori15 [6k\]: O Q same letter with a scar
AtkAndDef [5d\]: nice
Shadowplay [7k\]: I still prefer to try to cut the black stones at P11 rather than O12.
Shadowplay [7k\]: But then again I tend to be confrontational.
fasteratgo [10k?\]: I now prefer white
Shadowplay [7k\]: If white would have cut, K15 would be severe against black.
Shadowplay [7k\]: The top white group would live almost by default.
fasteratgo [10k?\]: I don't think so
Shadowplay [7k\]: But then he could chase K13.
Shadowplay [7k\]: If K13 was headed down to N7 because of a cut.
]
;B[hk]BL[681.353]
;W[fj]WL[30]OW[2]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: quite a n interesting game i find 
]
;B[fi]BL[618.786]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: Confusing the heck out of the go score estimator.
]
;W[il]WL[30]OW[2]C[fasteratgo [10k?\]: I believe too that it is an interesting game
]
;B[kl]BL[594.627]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lk]BL[591.075]
;W[dj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ej]BL[581.157]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ei]BL[578.964]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ki]BL[572.264]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[2]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: H11?
katori15 [6k\]: eye space
stonge [5k\]: looking for 2nd eye
fasteratgo [10k?\]: eyeshape
Shadowplay [7k\]: sorry, my eyes are playing tricks on me.
katori15 [6k\]: nime
Shadowplay [7k\]: I was sort of looking at H10.
Dorallen [3k\]: J9?
Dorallen [3k\]: nah nvm
Shadowplay [7k\]: I've noticed that Dan level players tend to always make moves either within 30s or above 10min.
AtkAndDef [5d\]: :P
AtkAndDef [5d\]: some are instinct 
GW [5d\]: Because Dan players tend to blitz, then when in trouble, go "oh crap!" and start reading
stonge [5k\]: lol
AtkAndDef [5d\]: or that
]
;B[mn]BL[267.573]C[ErikE [10k?\]: I recently returned to go after 8 or so years, something like that. I haven't been playing much, but I've been watching a lot of games. And I feel like I'm getting stronger without even playing...
Princy [6d\]: ^^
]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[2]C[Princy [6d\]: its not unusual
GW [5d\]: Depends on who you watch ;)
ErikE [10k?\]: the highest level players available :)
Princy [6d\]: its a start
Princy [6d\]: =)
ErikE [10k?\]: the book "whole board thinking in joseki" was awesome
GW [5d\]: Ah yes that does help then
ErikE [10k?\]: it gave me a structure to explain what the heck they are doing
GW [5d\]: Though watching hyang only makes you worse
ErikE [10k?\]: hyang?
Shadowplay [7k\]: The good news is that they're both heading for byo yomi.
]
;B[ll]BL[147.247]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: they'll have to finish the game soon, one way or the other.
]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[mm]BL[123.67]C[GW [5d\]: Hyang is a 8d on here?
]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[2]C[GW [5d\]: Don't remember what rank he is as of right now
pwaldron [-\]: mid level 8d i think
ErikE [10k?\]: So why does watching hyang make you worse?
]
;B[mo]BL[90.433]
;W[mp]WL[30]OW[1]C[ErikE [10k?\]: and where is ○'
ErikE [10k?\]: s second eye?
]
;B[lp]BL[79.403]
;W[ml]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[nl]BL[74.712]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[1]C[ErikE [10k?\]: ah now we see it.
]
;B[mk]BL[72.717]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ml]BL[70.564]C[katori15 [6k\]: haha "see" haha "eye"
]
;W[qm]WL[30]OW[1]C[GW [5d\]: Well let's just say that his style does not quite appear to be sane
Shadowplay [7k\]: Aw, c'mon.  I mean, I'd probably do something like G5. :)
katori15 [6k\]: some playerd seem to throw away the first set of moves for a more intense end game
ErikE [10k?\]: b Q7, or does b need to stay connected at P9?
fasteratgo [10k?\]: h10?
]
;B[gl]BL[30]OB[3]C[Princy [6d\]: death of m6 as huge
]
;W[gm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: what?!
]
;B[hm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[im]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[gn]BL[30]OB[3]C[katori15 [6k\]: ● j10 g12 j13  dead
]
;W[jo]WL[30]OW[1]C[ErikE [10k?\]: never mind about q7, it was silly
]
;B[ip]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[1]C[XSetsunaX [4k\]: l5 k7 l7 
]
;B[er]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[cr]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ds]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[bq]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: hmm... eyes.  or at least a nose.
]
;B[ni]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ng]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[oi]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: is there aji now at O19?
]
;B[rm]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[2]C[katori15 [6k\]: p16 p17 p15 q17 r18 s17 
]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ka]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[qs]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[os]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[cl]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[dl]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[om]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ic]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[1]C[Shadowplay [7k\]: Is white looking for K15 later?
]
;B[cs]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[bs]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[hs]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[1]C[chadil [2k\]: Oo
XSetsunaX [4k\]: false eye>
XSetsunaX [4k\]: lol
XSetsunaX [4k\]: owned
]
;B[is]BL[30]OB[2]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: ouch 
Isa [1k\]: hmm what, H1 is sente
fasteratgo [10k?\]: ouch
pwaldron [-\]: ??
gopedro [4d\]: no
sedgwick [4d\]: sorry...
KillerMonk [4d\]: drama like an italian opera 
fasteratgo [10k?\]: dommage
sedgwick [4d\]: Let me count...
AtkAndDef [5d\]: ?????????
KillerMonk [4d\]: black was ahead anyways 
GW [5d\]: b better if you are curious
sedgwick [4d\]: yes
sedgwick [4d\]: I thought so, but wanted to take time to count now...
AtkAndDef [5d\]: great game
gopedro [4d\]: yes
gopedro [4d\]: thanks
KillerMonk [4d\]: gg both exciting 
sedgwick [4d\]: My daughter requires attention, back in 5, sorry
woozuwa [12k\]: ty for the explain
Shadowplay [7k\]: black by 6 otherwise?
gopedro [4d\]: a very interesting game
Shadowplay [7k\]: thanks all.
])